Posts by Anony Mous

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More Menorah

by peacefulpete in

another brief example of ancient traditions reinterpreted by worshipers of yahweh.

the book of exodus 25:.

31 ¶ and thou shalt make a lampstand of pure gold; of beaten work shall the lampstand be made; its base and its branches, its bowls, its knops, and its flowers shall be of the same.32 and six branches shall come out of the sides of it, three branches of the lampstand out of the one side and three branches of the lampstand out of the other side,33 three bowls made like unto almonds with a knop and a flower in one branch, and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch with a knop and a flower; thus in the six branches that come out of the lampstand.34 and in the lampstand shall be four bowls made like unto almonds with their knops and their flowers.35 and there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and another knop under two branches of the same, and another knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the lampstand.36 their knops and their branches shall be of the same; all of it shall be one beaten work of pure gold.37 and thou shalt make its seven lamps; and they shall light its lamps, that they may give light over against it.. ok, so there is this strangely detailed description of a sacred golden lampstand, with 7 lamps in a strict formation of 3 branches on each side a single 7th in the center.

Anony Mous

@Kaleb: there is a difference between history according to archeology and history according to scripture and then what some people re-interpret history to be based on either or combinations of those sources.

What do Native Americans know about their own history - not much, most of it is told from an anti-Western narratives, few of the Native American tribes had a writing system, let alone a historical record, most were nomadic and continuously at war with each other, trying to eradicate or enslave the other. I’m sure they have stories that are wonderful and self-praising how great their ancestors were to start the best civilization in history - until the Spanish came and submitted them in record time because they had technology like armor and muskets that made the Spanish and later the French and English practically gods in comparison.

The Jews did a lot better, as writing had been invented already a few times in that region, but once you go before 300BC, which is when the scripture as we know them today were ‘edited’ into the current canon, it becomes a lot less clear what is myth, history or a little bit of both, and that is not even accounting for the fact that Jews and interpretation as we know it today didn’t become established until after the destruction of Jerusalem, so there is 500 years or so of unwritten change and re-interpretation, which is why Judaism looks so differently today than it would have when Herod’s temple was in place.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Anony Mous

@joey jojo: the original text definitely makes references to a trinity. What Jews believe today is often very different (especially as there are still different factions) than what was once believed, pretty much like every religion.

Christianity was a Jewish sect at one point, Islam as well, so all the ideas come from the same root - purely historically speaking, the Jewish God has both Elohim and Yahweh as name, both coming from different deities, and the spirit is also often mentioned, it would make sense that if you’re trying to meld multiple gods into one, you take aspects of a ‘father’ god (El) and his son Yahweh, often depicted as a bronze snake.

Note that a more recognizable form of Judaism and the composite Old Testament doesn’t develop until the 5th century BC, many centuries after the earliest writings surrounding the (initially polytheistic) cult of Yahweh starts (1800BC), references survive such as the different names of god, story about the King of Salem, bronze calf, references to other gods being ‘real’ and having some power and beasts that were once worshipped in various places like the Book of Job etc, it would thus be likely that ideas about a trinity or unity deity may have survived through tribal or sectarian knowledge transfer.

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Sacred Days

by Riley in

yesterday was remembrance day/veterans days in canada.

we had a couple younger half wits in the cong in field service yesterday.

both are trying to climb the ladder with the entire elder body ready to die in the next 10 years.. i just of thought it was a dick move to go door to door about the merits of fighting for freedom or not fighting on such a sacred day.

Anony Mous

So JW are fleeing the draft in Ukraine, becoming deserters. How nice of them not to go to prison, drawing attention to the human rights abuses and instead claiming refugee status in rich nations, I’m sure those elders are taking them in with open arms to give them tasks as the org, like Ukraine, is also running out of males.

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P Diddy list of names

by liam in

no wonder the left was furious when elon musk bought twitter.. someone leaked some of the names of the epstein files before they went public.

the complete list is still pending.

doesn't matter if it's the governing body, celebrities, politicians, theoretical physicist, cosmologist, the royal family, and more, are just ordinary humans who lust for sexual ..............!!!!!.

Anony Mous

@meanmrmustard: that would be funny, Hunter fighting his dad’s own policies in Supreme Court. But this is typical left wing, rules for thee but not for me, and clearly demonstrates their gun agenda has nothing to do with safety but pure, unadulterated power. The oligarchy can have guns and lie on the forms to obtain guns, but if you dare to be able to defend yourself against tyranny, you are the bad man looking to shoot up schools.

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P Diddy list of names

by liam in

no wonder the left was furious when elon musk bought twitter.. someone leaked some of the names of the epstein files before they went public.

the complete list is still pending.

doesn't matter if it's the governing body, celebrities, politicians, theoretical physicist, cosmologist, the royal family, and more, are just ordinary humans who lust for sexual ..............!!!!!.

Anony Mous

@peacefulpete: Hunter is not charged with tax evasion, he’s charged with not reporting his illegally obtained income and money laundering (false reporting). Trump was not charged with tax evasion charges, he was charged with overstating his income in a private transaction, which is neither illegal nor were any damages found. I also think you confuse tax evasion and tax avoidance, one is bad, the other is a moral obligation - if you don’t agree, don’t itemize or don’t claim your deductions next year.

Trump was never charged with illegally carrying, that is impossible in the US, the second amendment states your right to carry cannot be infringed and SCOTUS recently upheld that. Biden was charged with falsely stating he was drug free on a background check form, something that citizens and FFL regularly get prosecuted for simple clerical errors like typos or not filing it correctly, Biden instead illegally OBTAINED a gun and then illegally sold/discarded the gun when his sister-in-law (which he slept with) threatened to report him for driving/being intoxicated at a school parking lot. Few people will agree with the notion that druggies should be granted permission to obtain a gun if non-criminals have to jump through a ton of hoops. Few people will agree that you should be able to throw away evidence of a crime once you believe you will get caught.

The hypocrisy is that Biden’s ATF went hard after people that made simple clerical errors on the same form Biden INTENTIONALLY LIED on. Biden made it part of his anti-gun agenda to weaponize the ATF to go after anyone that ever had a simple clerical error and revoked their FFL licenses. ATF went after people with legal prescription drugs and denied their applications or prosecuted them after the fact.

The Biden DOJ was going to give Biden a get-out-of-jail-free card with a plea deal that was wrapped in secrecy, once the judge saw it, the left wing judge said that the plea was so egregious, it was unacceptable. Basically the DOJ wrote that not only would he be off the hook for the crimes alleged, they wanted the judge to let him off the hook for any crimes alleged and also those not alleged from 2014 onwards (when he started at the board of Burisma). So if Hunter murdered someone, or the bribery stuff he did in Ukraine that eventually was part of the current war, which was not part of that case, they wanted a blanket immunity (basically a Presidential pardon laundered through the judicial system).

As far as the pictures of Trump, lots of people on those red carpets, that’s not really interesting, what is interesting is who was at their houses when the ‘real stuff’ happened. It’s already been proven Trump was never at Epstein’s island or Diddy’s apartments unlike others which the FBI does have lists of and doesn’t want to publish. If Trump was on anyone of them, they sure would’ve selectively leaked that.

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I need to vent sorry!

by KerryKing in

i couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.. we were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.. background : i've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, i was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.. i said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?.

oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.. this has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?.

last night it hit me, when i was in my first year of school, age 5, i came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one.

Anony Mous

You’re DF’ed and he’s talking to you… the hypocrisy is a lot further than this one thing. Yes, it is infuriating that they have changed their standards so much. Like the people that went to jail for refusing any military or civil service and then all of a sudden it is okay to do non-combat military service, I know hundreds of people in Europe left over that policy change, tons of people that missed opportunities and benefits for having a criminal history and nearing the end of their life and suddenly their special ‘standing’ gets pulled from under them, I personally knew a dozen people, a Missionary, 2 CO and Uber-Elders, entire congregations were disbanded due to the sudden contraction.

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Defend Your Borders or Listen to the Watchtower?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/dnoww-4jfao?si=ehzmc5-gxqukgn7q.

with ww3 on the horizon the watchtower is bringing out their best hits on the issue of neutrality and the latest instalment on jw.org with stephen lett has the theme " why ancient israelites were allowed to go to war but as a christian you can't " or to paraphrase for a 2024 audience " why the modern state of israel is allowed all the nuclear weapons to defend their borders but you as a western european or north american you aren't supposed to compliant against open border policies and uncontrolled illegal migration" isn't that the exact same rhetoric or is it my imagination?

so one of stephen lett's go to arguments is that christians do not take up arms because we don't live in ancient times where israelites had a mandate to occupy the holy land where as we gentile christians we don't.

Anony Mous

What is interesting is that they have historically only promoted opposition to drafts in Western countries while making allowances for service to the state in others.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Anony Mous

@aqswed: I live up north, we go winter camping with scouts unless it is under 0F, a lot colder than what those shepherds did, in basic tents and outside all day regardless of weather. Sure, we have blankets and cots, but people back then were pretty inventive too, the Roman Empire reached all the way up to Finland with soldiers being stationed in the Netherlands.

@Duran: it is in the Bible, Roman Catholic Bibles at least:

1 Maccabees 4:36–39

Describes the rededication of the temple and the decree to celebrate annually on the 25th of Kislev which in 2024 also falls on December 25th.

It is traditionally celebrated with a tree/bush in the home and lights and feasting. Does the symbolism re-appear elsewhere in other religions, off course, because some things always evolve to the same conclusion.

Christians were known to celebrate the day of the nativity as there is contemporary evidence as early as 200AD in North Africa. Origen also wrote about the celebration of the manger of Jesus in 215AD, as did Justin Martyr (100-165AD). So already in the first and second century Christianity do we see the nativity of Jesus being mentioned and venerated/celebrated, so the theory of pagan alignment much later in the Catholic Church is an outdated anti-historic idea which was much more recently introduced as a ‘fact’, however the Coptic and various other churches that were founded by other apostles as early as 42AD, ALSO celebrate Christmas (although in different forms liturgically).

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Anony Mous

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

As the days on which the Jews got relief from their enemies, and as the month that had been turned for them from sorrow into gladness and from mourning into a holiday; that they should make them days of feasting and gladness, days for sending gifts of food to one another and gifts to the poor.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Anony Mous

Interesting to see the same people use the same tires WTBTS arguments which are easily disproven by Christian apologia that are themselves 2000 years old.

Christmas can be deduced from scripture, the Jews celebrate similar symbols at the same time. Whether it is factual is irrelevant unless you deny the scripture altogether.

Shepherds in the field, not a problem in temperate climate where it is 50-60F at night, you know people had fire and the huts they lived in didn’t really have central heating either.